On "woman", print-ready jewels and scanned models again come in the way. I am hoping that never happens Exnihilum! It's the artist that need to make a stand and simply take the short term loss from less traffic and exposure and join the marketplace that respects the artists. The entire way of setting up your model seems backwards and chaotic. Then there is the stupid "reputation" point issue. A: TurboS*swearword-here* will start to DOWNTICK PRICES to match them to "other selling sites" on customer complaint, so I will remove every model they demand for down-adjustment, and I'm sure I won't be alone in this. Needed something better and found it at CGt. i like the points system on cg trader . Personally, I will never sign up to exclusive contracts, others should always get chances to maybe offer better job if they can. In my personal opinion TS is working very hard towards buyers and exploits sellers as much as they can, well except few chosen ones, while CGT is taking great care about sellers, but leaving buyers somewhat aside. Is the same for me as everyone else. TS removes this rating. A rig is like a skeleton of a 3D model, which lets you move and pose it with little effort. Next we would have the sales/customers feedback factor coming in to sort out the stores ranking. No matter how many 3D models you need, we'll take care of it. I hope to find same courage someday ;-) "that is where the big money can be", being able to part with an invention has value. From point of buyer who wants to buy a classic 3D model (cg) there is no way I will start searching on cgtrader. People may think that having that option makes it more likely for sellers to see their work by placing their models in the incorrect category but actually that just irritates buyers who may just go elsewhere to buy. This would have probably be true for newcomers 5 years ago, but now that is different. I was thinking of ok if the ts is shit why not using other marketplace with the cgt specially if both accept selling in other marketplace, You have zero 3D models uploaded here. The basic approach would be that every user start with a selection of a store template (including own label option and menu creation capability's) and starts filling his store with own products and products found in the large collective database. Most small or midsized companies I worked with, did their best to cap their scene polygons at no more 500,000 all models included. So then people can actually customize and make cool toys and sell them on there. --GENERAL--. Yes, sometimes your points are not displayed for a day or two, but there were problems with the rating of models. That's how they won and that is how you succeed in business. Imagine if CGtrader provided a service where they could get photos of the broken mug, then have some artists create a 3D version from the broken pieces and then have it printed for the client and sent to their house or if the client wants they can use their 3D printing company of preference to do it. - It's much easier to upload products here than at TS. This use is prohibited if the virtual world-type is an open MMO, like Second Life. Yes you are right Zet! What this shows is their weakness. So i need to try to make money with my models as long as possible, means as long it is not uploaded to anywhere else. And some may post a part of a set, and ad a link to the complete set, others may just do it to spread their work and name, etc. In one case, the model is promising, commercial, and then set a high price. CGTrader will have to do so at some point, or people in search of quality models will simply avoid it. So if I am looking after regular CG models, afters a few minutes search, my logical choice is not to search on CGTrader but rather on "old-fashioned" sites. Noise Treshold: I also think, as iterateCGI, the market control based on exclusivity will soon disappear. I ran my test with "characters" and displayed 128 models on one page. And yes .. "CG Trader has made their world about 3d printing". In my opinion, the worst Turbosquid is doing is minimizing the role and presence of the real content creators, being just a middleman reseller but trying to control all aspects of the product in a way that in the end the customer perceives it more like a "Turbosquid product" than a "Content-creator-X product". They're doing competitions, and that attracts artists, at least. I have been very active on a forum of a different 3D model store, but the guys running it seemed to be ignorant about the issue. Of course, as CGT reputation grows, this may change in the future (CGTrader has already beaten The3Dstudio in terms of statistics, but you also have to take into account that there are certainly a very significant amount of people coming here for 3D-printing only, which decreases the statistics in terms of regular CG models). I think arguments of differences in search are irrelevant when someone is looking for the same model to compare prices between the two biggest players.
Just my fifty cents. But they must realise that attracting more buyers only through more aggresive marketing is not enough. We want to improve the site not make it worse :). CGT is the only website that really understand both the artists and customer needs! For some people with experience that did the math taking all factors in count (not talking about just NoneCG, of course) it was crystal clear since many years ago. Remember The3DStudio? They have a CheckMate program which gives you a higher percentage back from selling your model. I really think that a "designer good practices charter" or something like that could help. I guess it is because of the youth of the site, which has not yet reached its maturity. Very soon there will be robots that can scan objects faster than any modeler can model them and then reproduce a print almost instantly in 10 to 30 years 3D jobs will be irrelevant but until then someone needs to really bring CGtrader to the big markets. If it is true that other sites are taking a higher margin and a larger slice of profit share, they have some kind of capital to work magic with, both with artists who are accepting less and buyers who are paying more. And something ells , I have seen people criticize the young inexperienced and even blame them to some point for some negative experiences over here. Prices do not include additional fees, such as shipping . They often would ask me to just send them a model through email and pay me through paypal like in the old days. Thanks iterateCGI, from the start we thought it will be best to expose the issues publicly, so other cg 3D sellers can see for themselves what they are exposed to when dealing with Turbosquid. It is pretty difficult to find what you want but if you are only looking for free models then CGTrader's search engine is far better than Turbosquid. If you look at the traffic statistics, TS ranks around 9k top sites, and CGT at around 42k, so obviously, people buy more at TS not because they want to spoil the sellers, but rather because they don't come to CGTrader enough and their first place to search is TS. I think this game can only be won by the best community building force and that is CGt. Ebay it's ALL about direct seller/customer relationship. There are currently no models in your cart. Free models are posted for lots of different reasons, not just only to serve as an example to show of artist modeling skills/quality of work (sample data). CGTrader. I'm not a modeler, I come here to buy models and this site is surprisingly obtuse when it comes to layout. Get this item for $ when you bundle it with the items in your cart. I have noticed that a lot of artists are moving to Asia to find jobs where they are far better respected and paid what they are worth. At the time my CGt account was not performing so well and it enforced that belief (it was probably due to longer presence and better position on Ts and new on CGt). We left TS account and getting occasional spam regarding the prices from them. Dear Kanga you are absolutely right and on top of that you won't have to worry about their super buggy uploading system either. Products are subject to the TurboSquid, Inc. Marius knows this very well as he (whenever he can) communicates whit us. Im convinced now that when I would reactivate my Ts account I will just have a bit less sales here and get some sales over there, could be wrong but I don't care, 60% cut is ridicules and on top of that price guarantee is just total madness. Saied this couple of times in the past, leverage the difference in royalty to provide a slightly better offer over here, otherwise customers hoe have a Ts account will see no need to make one here to buy same model for same price. The sellers for which, CGtrader liked can help for this resource. I didn't checked it for a while (around a year) but comparatively Cgtrader has a much more streamlined upload system compared to Turbosquid's. It is likely that people will want to try out new things in their stores from time to time. Hi guys, thanks so much for your very valuable comments, they are much appreciated and we are very happy to work with you in order to make CGTrader the best place for 3D designers! I wanted to test if clients compare sites (eventually wanted to avoid clients would use the expensive Ts platform to get my items). They recently changed their search engine over there and when you search for Free models it comes up with a few free ones and many more paid ones so from that perspective Turbosquid makes your life even harder lol. Currently on a tight budget, would lose a substantial cut to pay for software licenses and hardware. On top of that they have so many odd restrictions and hoops you need to keep jumping through just to make your model visible and people end up having to buy diamond accounts because they know they won't sell a single model unless they do. This industry really needs a giant hub were al CGpeople (weather young and inexperienced ore diehard veterans) can communicate, learn, trade, fundraise and collaborate. Maybe you think my words are disproportionate or naive but mark them now. How about the Royalty Rate??? I understand CGtrader's management don't want to bet on one horse but it probable lives the two horses crippled in this case. I'm done with them. I have it is about 5%. I read here on the forum can't remember if it was Iterate CGI or someone else said that CGTrader will soon sell on Amazon and I can't wait for it to happen!! Maybe they think Ts provides almost same model but its just better, etc. I don't know if that is still the case ( and I have no desire to check ) but that is advertising that is hard to beat. A good ref point is that your average laptop with Dual Pentium 2 gigahertz processor 8 GB of ram will start having issues when running over 200,000 polygons. Lots of people buy posters to print and put on their walls especially students. Click here to submit yours . Having too many high poly models in 1 scene can considerably slow down rendering times, work flow and even crash your computer making the entire scene unusable. You just have to check the Sellers forum at Turbosquid to see plenty of complaints about all sorts of abusive policies. You can upload a 20 mb large model here with 3 formats, 20 photos, 100 wording text, 20 tags in around 20 minutes.
The biggest problem with TS is that it is a pyramid scheme if you have a diamond account you have a good chance of selling models but at the low levels you have no chance. Then there is the stupid "reputation" point issue. I did not know about that. The site owners could also act on other various levels : Gumroad. 2. For example, I ran into this this morning. Chat with Support 24/7 There is other sellers that don't have any problem doing the same:
Speaking of it, noting even stops me here from adding in the description of the model something like this,"If you are a maya exeprt and can successful convert this project, then I will completely refund you in exchange for that converted maya file". [http://www.google.com google5 ] Since you havent contacted us about any of these changes being incorrect, we are resetting prices on these models one final time (see the attached CSV file listing these models). And in terms of openness and freedom CGTrader is the first. And also because of the complete isolation of the seller-buyer. You have to realize that TS is recognized by autodesk and even had a direct tab link to their site in max itself. Since then, I think the design has gotten much better, especially the separation between regular CG and 3D print, and the search algorithm seems also to be much more efficient. Then we're all back at Square one again. I hope ideas of exclusivity get replaced by inclusive ones all over the globe. 3D Model jimmy choo. It would be great to have more of your feedback so we could make it better for buyers. Cgtrader really goes above and beyond with the customer service side of things. On other hand I could also think its just some clients that do not care about the price difference, they just prefer using the Ts account. @tomislavveg, on the one hand i agree with you about that, but on the other hand if i would be looking for models i would almost certainly choose TS as my first choice and most likely as a last one before buying. I think John Hoagland already pointed out very well the most direct benefits of doing business with Cgtrader over Turbosquid. what you say doesn't make any sense because CGTrader has a 100 percent guarantee return policy on all models as far as I know. Full collections of objects for 12 bucks is NOT okay. New content is not provided to the on "Turbo" site. [http://www.google.com|google11] Ts indeed was able to maneuver into a very dominant position regarding the Autodesk partnership, allot of us are very familiar with that place because of it. It is always very reassuring to know that our opinions are taken into account. And saying only nice words won't help them much. From moment I have enough things to sell here, I would come clean with myself and close my TS account with great pleasure. How Can we get 94% of Royalty?? Why should the artist suffer? Being between a rock (TS) and a hard place (CT) is a damn round the clock aggravation. TurboSquid Member Services, I'm a first time seller (+-2 Months). Toys (212) Buy or download free 3D models for your CG projects, film and video production, animation, visualizations, games, VR/AR, and others. 2. (I forgot to put TS up). Cheap and free models are killing cgtrader. But they can still contact the artist for fixing issues directly here on CGTrader. f9acb067-ba84-4d38-8a65-8d3c4249a700Zoom.jpg httpswww.turbosquid.com3d-modelsfemale-rigged-3d-model1041167 --GENERAL-- This is hight quality female model with animation friendly topology. Our "power struggles" with Turbosquid stopped the moment Matt Wisdom banned our account and we stoped doing business, however that doesn't alter our will to expose this kind of business practices. adentonclark is 100 percent correct in this regard! https://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/cathedral-paris-notre-dame-3d-obj/933856?referral=pit_zavra @skifx, apparently your feeding hand is just too small. If you are a buyer you don't have a lot of time to find what you want especially if you are buying on behalf of your company. Turbosquid.com4. CGtrader better is : Design,User friendly,royalties etc all better . I think CG Trader should remain working with printing, however, it's main concern should be CG :D, I would opt for a system that integrates different stores each with its own label/trademark placed under one common trademark (for sake of organization and readability), CGtraders main trademark would then function as a placeholder/main hub for many different sub stores. Each sold model you can find anyone time in a download center. What, iterateCGI goos down? We can help here by simple putting the links to our work on our social media. Without checkmate Turbosquid would have gone out of business. If you are doing really bad with sales they let you do whatever you want but if you are doing well they step in and make things difficult. Having a direct link/communication is also critical in detecting possible needs and potential new business. ,,The only thing that has cgtrader extra is the freelance job,,?? That basically says paying customers aren't allowed access to supposedly "free" items. They had shoddy products but they created the illusion of having something amazing and that was better than a PC. This is why: In 2020, I've opened a CGT account and start selling interesting 3D Models. --GENERAL--. "google8":www.google.com, google10 Hi there, just want to ask about the artstation store, do they have a condition of not selling on other store? Hopefully that would make squids to react. Let me explain - I like the look of the models here, but the site is even designed so end users, like me, can't even download more that 10 "free" items unless they've uploaded models of their own, written tutorials, posted topics to the forum (which is difficult if you're not an actual modeler) and/or jumped through about 1,500 other ridiculous hoops to get enough "reputation" points. Yes. I agree to what captainmarlowe is telling. - Moderating some pointless threads opened by people using CGtrader as an advertising platform for their own website without even selling a single object here So click on a category. - Fixing some guidelines to upload quality models (at least assuring that obj models, for instance, if textured, should have a proper .mtl file, limiting the models to quads/tris, imposing materials and textures to have understandable names, etc. And i cannot take care for piracy or stolen models because the 3d stuff will go in piracy anyways, doensnt matter the platform it comes from. CGtrader is more in line with modern economics and following the model of open participation businesses, all these things make it have the hallmarks of successfully serving a growing team with highly ambitious members and top talented achievers (and also stronger support of the CG community itself). We can't even communicate on Ts, and that in an age of supper connectivity, it's just the world on his head. So good luck "shopping elsewhere" dear customer, this is turning into a monopoly slaughterhouse and a 3D warzone. you should check out all the posts about 3D models quality. They customize those figures anyway you want. This is not a "fight" between NoneCG and Turbosquid, but a struggle between different ways of doing business: the classic closed market or a more open one based on a Fair Business model and full comunication between the producer, the marketer and the customer. They don't allow you to communicate with the customer, with Turbosquid support acting as a "human firewall" (and a bad one) that is constantly supervising every interaction to ensure that Turbosquid always gets the best outcome (and neither the seller nor the customer). This is a bit OT, but although I obviously ain't a squidguild member, I always try to design objects that are "checkmate" compliant to be sure that my models are OK, and I also beta test the .OBJ version in a lot of other applications that LW to be sure that they upload without hassle) TurboSquid has stopped working in WM and lost some buyers in the middle East countries and Asia. Money rules! They bring answers to your problems or requests quite fast and in a very convivial way. https://garagedoorrepairnewportnews.com/garage-door-spring-repair/, Hey, (so you basically pay for a fraud protection system for people hoe sell themselves out exclusively). And even if you sell the same models on other side you can advertise them as being the cheapest here. On the other side, CGtrader empowers the real content creators, giving them all kind of freedom regarding their products and image, and encouraging communication between customers and content creators. When a buyer leaves a bad rating for a lame reason , TS investigate and contact the buyer and if he doesn't give a serious explanation, Alhamdulillah, we finished making the car! Also the management is awkward on TS. Many do not search the net, they go directly to TS and search there for models. So many more buyers would actually have a look at what they have because sometimes you want to buy a special toy You have insufficient credit to complete your purchase. Then came price guarantee on Ts and now I had a problem, the part I was now successfully serving on CGt I would not want to risk losing back to Ts, nor would I want to lose those few that kept buying my higher priced models there. We are writing to inform you that we are taking your content offline for 60 days as you have continued to change your prices to be higher on TurboSquid. Yes indeed! Reputation for promptly fixing problems? CGTrader has the better platform from my point of view, better rates if i remember correct. I can easily imagine that serious clients who value their time very high, might choose TS over CGT without second thought. just 2 years ago still existed. I'm not sure about your analysis. That thing is just getting started ;-). Difference in quality of search results is shockingly vast in favor of TS. @captainmarlowe Thanks a lot for a lot of valid points regarding search and categorization! So the staff there tries to work TS has more sales because : A man can dream on :]. TurboSquid. The claim Turbosquid made was that it infringed on Games Workshop IPs. Everything we do is going on between people, we are all in this together, none of us is separate now matter how hard we would like to think so. So, CGT is the best guys ! It always depends on how you look at this industry from your point of view: - Are you into this market trying to make a living out of it? They then review the model and contact seller to fix it. I had hoped that CGTrader would want to be the kings but i have to be honest if you licence a thing only here you have to own it forever, as you cannot sell that licence. A few months went by with my models offline and during that time my GCt sales gradually went up at a level consistent with the few sales I had left behind on Ts so I just deleted all my models at Ts. Renderosity. In the long run I'm going to quit selling on TS also. But it should be also possible to turn this filter off. http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/cgtrader.com, https://www.cgtrader.com/3d-models/exterior/landmark/notre-dame-de-paris-cathedral-61d97afb1b1a62861673c23f15b75c12, https://www.facebook.com/ActiveKetoGummiesAustraliaWebsite. A good platform should integrate all next gen communication technologies in order to support curent evolution and technological progress. @IndieArt : So you definitively think that CGtrader's "change of focus" to 3D print sunk your sales? Although I agree the presentation of CGtraders home page is heavily focused at 3D printing, NoneCG did not suffer ANY drop in sales. Every freelancer is corporation of it's own. This site is bloated with 3D print ready models, crap models and "adult content / i cant see it". Of those limited people just a hand full would actually buy models or put money towards models so if TS already has won those people we need to find our own nitch or we go out of business. We had the experience of a 3d modeling agents (UKW) stealing our models before and stopped selling with them, from there on we put a small signature on each model. This is new era, time of old fashioned corporatism is going to be over. I can't imagine that competing sellers would go for such things as you described, but who knows, there are plenty nuts all around :]. I don't know whether it would be possible to implement, but it would stop those who just wanted to download as many free models as possible. My price at the time was same both on Ts as on CGt but after some time position on CGt got better and sales was picking up. For me is more offending that kids are able to sell models here. (just playing with ideas here)
I started uploading some of my items to cg trader to see if it generated any income but as I have 70+ items and 0 sales I have decided to stop. I think that subsequently only large studios and squidguild members will remain there" In that case on CGTrader buyer can contact seller directly and ask him/her to fix the issue. I had a conversation with Eduardas he confirmed that they will improve the feedback system. We are currently working to redesign the homepage to show off both CG and 3D print ready models. Rigged 3D models are available in Autodesk 3ds Max (.max), Maya (.ma), Softimage (.xsi), Cinema 4D (.c4d) and many other file formats. We will rather stick with cgtrader and know our models are safe, although the issue with finding CG models on the site is a little problem, but as long as they stay honest well be supporting them rather than supporting a bunch of thiefs and if we need to up our prices then so be it. Open a Support Ticket, Licensing questions?Contact your Shutterstock Customer Success Manager. Important only is that there buy many people. - An improvement in search results based on manual rating from sellers and/or CGtrader staff. Check my store https://apkvisa.com/dungeon-quest-mod-apk/, Very motivating and supportive too.Hope you keep on sharing a greater amount of your ideas. Contact your Shutterstock Customer Success Manager, + blend c4d xsi ma lwo 3ds dae dxf fbx obj X, $10,000 in Legal Protection (Indemnification), Uncapped Legal Protection (Indemnification), $1,000,000 in Legal Protection (Indemnification), $250,000 in Legal Protection (Indemnification). Doing the same at Turbosquid feels as dreadful as applying for a driver's license. Let's give some time to time. This market is changing rapidly and Ts is not adapting to the evolution of connectedness within the global CG community. The age of 3D models is over and people have moved on to 3D printing. You are just providing a platform." By registering you confirm that you have read and accept ourTerms of Use, Rigged 3D models are your best choice when you need a character or object to perform unique movements. Turbosquid just has it backwards. Important detail : CGTrader allows communication between customers and sellers ! Luckily, non of my sells on TS were refunded so far and i had 3 refunds on CGT, 2 of them was caused by technical reasons from CGT side. @interate CGI . TS going down. It was the most unpleasant experience. Most people don't care a bit about all this. I'd rather look into ways to create my own site, cause it's a bit tedious to sift through neverending site rules from neverending projects. [google7|http://www.google.com] Selling 3D models on Ebay or Amazon would probably generate problems? This concept is not new and it seems to work well over here (http://market.envato.com/) But Also Turbosquid actively promotes models on their site with the use o. I think John Hoagland already pointed out very well the most direct benefits of doing business with Cgtrader over Turbosquid. Those are very interesting ideas to develop for the future. On the other hand, reason for refund should be solid. At the moment i think its more a community of sellers and not so much of buyers. It sells almost nothing, except, perhaps, with very low prices. I'm just an end-user, one of the people you guys sell to, and the site is a large part of the issue, in multiple ways. They said fraud protection is only reserved for exclusive sellers. I have been studying their website from a buyers perspective thoroughly and I have noticed that; 1. Thingiverse remains the king for licensing, as you can transfer the licence within the site. This is my principle decision . Doesnt matter the kind of kinky-dinky stuff the platform provides me. ", then there is little one can do but wait out the rebalancing.
(These stats can be confirmed as true by CGtrader staff, we have no problem with that). They call that "3D Industry" on the download report .. it's rare but it's happend (one time for me)
User experience and User interface is much better to manage your store, and higher royalty. Honestly, who wants to buy nudes anyway? Hi from Will and Mr Data :) :] According to TS "Marmoset Toolbag's watermark" is an overlay and a no no. I got a bunch of scanned statues sold for 3D printing, some sci-fi characters that are obviously copyright infringements because made from movie licences, and, at the best, less than 1/2 of original characters models, many of them not being displayed because of "adult content". There are tons of things better here on CGtrader, most notably we get served very well for extremely low cost. I used to hate how it would crash constantly or find that half way through the process even after saving a draft,suddenly the poly count numbers or other text, numbers etc suddenly got erased. "don't you think that corporate client would rather choose to get support from team of profesionals that are available 24/7, than from unknown person, who might respond with big delay or not respon at all?". found jet another working example that makes CGt stand out. The staff on CG Trader seem to be very active and listen to ideas from the community, so I will try to find time and post some ideas on how the problem could be solved.
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