This turbocharged 2.0L inline-four was considered a replacement to the BMW N52 a naturally-aspirated, inline-six engine. not have the latest software. I appreciate any input. still the same problem. What should I do next? Loaner vehicle was included. Required fields are marked *. Thoughts?? Any comments/tips on both, car only has 49k miles. diagnosis system checking faults) The 7 years/70000 miles extended limited warranty follows the VIN, so if the 2015 X3 is on the list, the N20/N26 engine will be covered. Yes you can check the oil pressure,,,also when the mechanic performed the timing chain repairs the oil pan was off and hopefully he checked the oil pump screen for and debris and cleaned it out. What symptoms and codes might you get if your timing chain had failed? Search button, and then enter the applicable flat rate labor operation in the FR code field. I manually crank engine over few time but after start it always goes retarded on exhaust cam shaft. The details of the settlement if approved by court will extend timing chain and oil pump drive chain to 8 years/100000 miles(which ever comes first). Thank you!! As many have said before, thank you for your very valuable insights and information. F025-13-07-506 for the F25 Understandably, many purists were unhappy with the Bavarian manufacturer's decision. Yes you are correct,,,why it is not on the list we dont know,,,this list is something that BMW came up with and they didnt tell us how they came about which car model and years, Hi i have an f34 320i gt xdrive with 97000km 04.07.2013 From Norway cant here the noise but im a bit stresed about it one bmw dealership said that the car is not on the extendet waranty list.Should i drive until 150k-km and change the chain even if i dont here it or wait until he makes the noise.If is x-drive does it get used faster then Rw.And why so many 328I afected and not so many 320i? When engine starts cam shaft on exhaust goes all the way to the end. In US the N20/N26 timing chain extended limited warranty is 7 years/70000 miles, so what is extended coverage available in your country? They also included a video from the technician. labor operation. Bringing the BMW community together. I assume the tensioner is operated by oil pressure and its normal to feel some slack when the engine is not running? Cost for the strap $7.49. Everything works, radio, windows, Locks. So just saw this in the nick of time. check got vanos dtc come to relies i switch the cam gears when i install them so i correct it after veh cranks but no start check timming over like 3 time it good. should I buy timing lock kit to lock the cams and cranksshaft in place? Nope,,,,its up to the dealership to make the call for BMW if they will fix the timing chain issue on your car under the TSB. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk ASE and BMW Master Certified Technician 09-28-2017, 07:33 PM #6 Ramos8553 Member Join Date Sep 2017 Hello! 2: 12A701 Catalytic converter downstream oxygen sensor, electrical fault: circuit short to battery (+) Do not replace any parts. I dont think they will take your picture as evidence,,,,but you could give it a try it wouldnt hurt, Hello- Ill check my gas cap but I need to clear this code. The head mechanics at BMW Santa Monica have no idea either. Yes it does not say no signal. Looking forward to the return of your blog. Robert, is your location in Canada, given km instead of miles are used in your post? Page 3 of 4 Looked at my timing chain and there seems to be some play in the chain. 2013 X3 N20 28i. Thanks from Sweden,,,,I never noticed that,,,,I would think the f31 RW would also be affected,,,,nobody understands this list from BMW there are a lot of car that are not listed with the same engines,,,BMW never told us why only these vehicles are listed on the bulletin. I remove the spark plugs all 4 complete soaked and i also remove the Dinan piggy back complete and connect harness direct to DME I also replace the DME with use one [CLONE] still no start but i notice when i crack one of the injector line the fuel pressure is very low which normal be busting out the lines, fuel pump shaft is not broken and no DTC. The problem could be caused by the fuel destroying the plastic guide. Also camshaft sensors also does not give any data to DME. Sorry for the confusion, I understand you have the N20 engine,,,,what Im saying on the N20 engine the vans unit failing is not a common problem like the N51,,,,,on the N20 engine there are no replacement bolts for the vanos unit not like the N51. Valvetronic Actuator Replacement Kit Includes actuator, actuator gasket and valve cover gaskets Brand: ES#: 4164466 Mfg#: 11377603979KT5 Qty: Availability: In Stock $243.84 Add to Cart Free Shipping on orders $59 and up Valvetronic Actuator Replacement Kit Includes actuator, actuator gasket and valve cover gaskets Brand: ES#: 4164462 Mfg#: 1d2404 Map thermostat, activation, line disconnection Thanks for this. Yes that crack in the timing chain guide should be enough to replace the timing chain and guide rails,,,,the way we decide if the car is covered is by whine noise,rattle noise,broken pieces of timing chain guide,,,how before we get the extended warranty that is hard to say,,,it all depends on the legal side of the lawsuit Im sorry to say. Hi I live in California and im planning to buy a used 2015 bmw x3 xDrive28i (F25) then I saw the this post. Well, you could, but it's a slim chance you get the length of the rod exactly right. My engine shut of while idle in park. Connect scan tool to the 16-pin data link connector (DLC) located underneath the steering column. SB-10053485-8362 Work time (WT) labor operation 61 00 006 requires an individual punch time. It should show something like incorrect angle/position. 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Brought it to a second mechanic. I assume it will need to be replaced just because its higher in milage but do you think BMW would warranty it out knowing that theyve said it was lifetime of the vehicle? another repair, use the Plus code labor operation 00 00 556 instead. Seems like the locking pins are stuck. and cam shaft are not in alignment any more. Emissions Warranty coverage that applies. Clean both solenoids and reinstall. Also that didnt make a difference and fault is still on outlet side. Looks all good. Question,,,what is a DME clone,,,,is it a used DME?,,,,or a aftermarket replacement DME. I dont know if failing VANOS system should give any data to computer and should show somekind bad data or shouldnt show anything. The improved DME software was introduced 2013 BMW X1 E84 WITH N2O MOTOR 11400ML Did you ever solve this? https://www.bmwtis.net/tiscode/cgi-bin/bulletin.aspx?sie_path=/tsb/bulletins/htm_store/158. This is a common issue on the N20 engine. Sorry there are no replacement bolts for the N20 vanes unit that I know of,,,,,yes they are aluminum,,,the N20 and N26 vanes unit are not common to break not like the older one on N51 and N52, No, no Hopefully it will prove to be a non issue. Thanks. Sorry for the confusion, No, I've done exactly the same thing and caused this issue by replacing the timing chain tensioner. Thanks! Ive search, alot of people have it problem but no solution.It dont like bmw :). 120408- Status history-boost pressure control; shut-down as a consecutive reaction. Even if the engine is warm it still gives these same fault codes. I dont want to sell the car because nobody is going to give me what I bought it for. Hi bmw technician. Also after cold start also misfire error pops up. Cheers. Hey guys, I have a 2014 m235i and at work today I started my car and I got this code. I have a 2013 N20 engine in my X3 and want to remove the actuators to either clean or replace. The engine is running rough at idle. The tensioner sometime start to malfunctioning due to lack of motor oil (it is actioned by the oil pressure). Neither the VANOS units nor the solenoids have been replaced. 131501 VANOS, intake, starting from cold: Non-adjustable The VANOS solenoids were tested on the workbench using a 12 volt supply and they work. New battery installed. N20 cylinder block is made of aluminum with two balance shafts and steel-plated cylinders. 131401 VANOS, exhaust, starting from cold: Non-adjustable This time the desired angle was not a constant as in the previous tests. Labor Operation: Labor Allowance: Description: Got it replaced for half of the price in warranty, consider also the timing chain replace if needed. The update can only be done at the dealer,,,you will only need a update if there is some kind of BMW recall on software or if at anytime your car might need some other repair which might call for a update for the repairs.,,,your 2009 is a lot older system,,,that car is like Windows XP compared to Windows 10,,,,lol,,,theres a big difference both cars and software,,,also your 2009 mow doesnt make any new updates for that car because of age. Page 2 of 4 My 320i with N20 engine have problem with light accelerator or cruise on hightway, about 1.100-1450 rpm.Engine noise u u u like weve a drone around and with little vibration on steering. Coasting to a stop the engine suddenly died and would not restart. 176000km is only 110000 miles, that is a shame that such a nice compact power house(N20/N26 that is) can go bust in such young age, BMW really should step up and recall all the affected N20/N26 with defective parts. Changed the solenoid valves. It appears to be a relatively simple, .5 hr swap. It would get to 17% and quit. If so, can i buy the warranty for a used car now? Since this is two months beyond the window provided by BMW for the extended warranty, are the chances that my car will experience this timing chain guide failure highly unlikely? They look ok. Do you think it can be a ECU or software related issue? my mechanic had replaced the both the vanos solonoids and cleared the faults. 131908-VANOS inlet: cold start, Position not reached. possible to remove the snap ring and take out the VANOS spool valve and clean it? Please help! If so, can I buy the warranty for the used car now? Recently purchased 2104 BMW X1 28i x drive. (not including CAS) Learn how your comment data is processed. One other odd problem during this time was the oil level test did not work. Thanks for your time. Owned Program. Then I changed the exhaust cam gear and the solenoid. Thank You very much for the reply !! My daughters 2013 survived. I still have under 70k miles and not reached 7 years. Engine The cam is at -18 degrees and not changing. Was it coincidental and maybe the bits of trash in the both VANOS spool valves cleared at the exact same time? It goes from 0 8 kpa and back to 0 will cranking do you have any idea what that reading should be on the fuel rail. Ive change engine mount, spark plug, coil but problem is the same. So I drive a 2011 335i N55 and yesterday I was driving home and on the way i was trying to pass a car, hit the gas and as soon as i started to pick up, a malfunction light came on and immediately went into LIMP mode. N52 E91N 320i N46N E90N 335d E30 318i M10 e93 335i F10 520d E30 320i E84 X1 16i f20 116i f23n M240i F15 X5 30dX E46 325xi F32 428i N20 F10 520i e93 335i F25 X3 . The starter and engine appear to make no attempt to start. or can I slowly unscrew the center valve and insert a new one? Hi, 130108 I guess I can continue to enjoy the car and see what happens or sell it. I want to make sure this issue is fixed. I appreciate your help. I called BMW and they said no recalls on the car and told me to take it to a BWM Official garage. 120408: Boost pressure control, cut off pressure rise blocked. check out the. Do you know if the new Vanos assemblies comes with the upgraded bolts or do I still need to change out the 4 Vanos Gear bolts on a new assembly? Disregard my question. Yes, for mine BMW was due to a fault to the timing chain tensioner. It idles fine and sounds much better than before. https://youtu.be/Frj0a82XfDo, He did not notice any whining- but do you hear whining in this second video? no hesitation. It was somewhat cold today around 20 degrees. BMW wont tell us why some models have problems and some dont,,,,it could be because of horsepower,,,,,you could replace tensioner if you want,,,,,it wouldnt hurt anything, Thanks for the reply i think its 220i and 320i uses the exact engine N20 my F22 2014 car now has 105000kms since its not in the list , in general what do u advice me to do shall i just keep my ears alerted to sounds or u advise me to take to service center and maintain the chain so i can save the engine ? For reasons I dont understand the faults are cleared. Hello and thank you for your various articles on the n20 engine. WARRANTY INFORMATION The only odd result is that the desired angles of 0 and 0.6 had actual angles that were off by ~8 degrees. Today my engine shut off while I was driving. thanks for the input. Timing is performed by the timing chain. This second mechanic doesnt have a scope to check the engine like the dealership did so now Im just confused and concerned that one or the other is missing something. within the BMW Certified Pre-Owned Limited Warranty and this coverage extends beyond the Just to be clear, there are two different parts of the VANOS solenoids on the N20. Yesterday I did get all the fault codes cleared. Id rather not pay more money. My 2013 328i was doing the same thing. Great blog here..dear BMWTech amy idea of the failure rate of the N20/26 timing chain..is it 30%? 00 00 006 Refer to KSD2 Performing vehicle test (with vehicle Thank you in advance. No car manufacturer is going to tell you the problems with their car,,,they are just worried about the sale of that car,,,,not what is wrong with that car. The last oil change was two years ago but only 2200 miles were driven. Tried to read live camshaft sensors read ista says that currenty no data is sent from them to DME. When retrieving BMW check engine light codes with an OBD II scan tool, proceed as follows: 1. Im wondering do I need to have the 7/70 warranty to get BMW covered on this timing chain issue? If governor works properly engine cant 9600 rpm. Is there a way to test this? Only in eco or comfort mode when I drive carefully or just keeping a normal speed at low rpm. Content on bimmerfest.com is generated by its users. but after 3-4 minutes these fault codes with a message -Drivetrain problem comes in the display. Any thoughts!!! Yes you have a 2015 you have a better chance of no timing chain issues. I bought 2012 X1 with 85,000km and after reading different posts makes me worried about the timing chain issue, I called the dealer they said there is no recall on this vehicle except driver side air bag! I own a 2015 X1 with a manufacture date of April 2014. The oil filter element appears to collapsed / sucked in at the center. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. 131808 VANOS, exhaust, starting from cold: Position not reached Im planning to buy a used 2015 BMW X3 xDrive 28i and its in the list. Other engines may have this same scenario, but it's not typical. F020-13-07-506 for the F3x The intake cam had the following desired/actual degrees: 0/-8, -20/-20, -10.4/-10, -20/-20 and -10.4/-10. Car start very well but no power and check engine light on code po52b. It has the N26 engine, factory warranty has expired. The car is as we speak back to the dealer for further diagnose and they have seen a slight difference in the crankshaft position or something like that.. one of the shafts was not in the correct angle. now I have a question for you and hoping to get a direction. My question is, when I remove the central valve, will the timing chain or sprockets will slip their position? Code 130308 VANOS Exhaust Control fault position reached Is it possible to remove the snap ring and take out the VANOS spool valve, spring and check ball for cleaning with the VANOS unit in the engine? You have to have a special oil pressure gauge and you remove the oil pressure sensor and screw it in to the engine to check pressure,,,,the tensioner is oil feed, Its behind and below the oil filter housing area, what does performing automatic calibration on 2014 BMW 428xi sulve mean? The values changed. Yes you need to buy the camshaft locking tools,,,,the timing will slip,,,,you need a t-stat also,,,,the charge pressure fault may be due to the vanos unit,,,,the trailer issue is a random fault,,,,hope this helps. 130308 If performing other ISTA diagnostics and related test plans results with eligible and covered After starting the car again the error came back on the screen but the power was back. Most auto repairs shops charge between $75 and $150 per hour. They unlock only when oil pressure is applied. I just can't find a procedure on removing the valve cover and locking down the cams. No I dont think it is covered,,,and what lifetime of the vehicle are you talking about. In sports mode, or when driving more active in doesn't come on. Thanks Regards, After you time the engine you should only turn it over by hand one time and the blocks should lock down,,,,if you turn it over a few times it will never align again that is normal.,,,my question is does the the engine run and are there any faults. How do I approach the dealer saying I hear a noise and whatnot for them to fix it while it is still under warranty? I have done my timing chain after finish car starts up runs but would not idle until cel come on. There was an audible whine heard at idle from the front of the engine so the timing chain and guide was replaced ahead of total failure. I had 2014 328i and having no issue yet so far,but im concern about the timing chain since my car is on the list of having problems with the timing chain,i checked the vin number to see if there is a recall for that and did not see anything,what should i do to double check ?should i go to dealership and just tell them about this bulleti? Thanks for responding. Stop and starting the car there is no difference. Think I'll avoid this. with the following integration levels: Im thinking the dealership is just not interested in fixing it. The engine sounds exactly the same as the first time it started after the timing chain installation. Labor operation code 00 00 006 is a Main labor operation. and if necessary, also What's even more exciting about the N20 engine is that this four-cylinder engine is capable of generating a stunning power of 240 HP and a sizzling torque of 260 lb-ft. The engine was low water damaged. Also, I keep getting this code P3195 Radiator coolant temperature signal stuck high, BMW fixed the radiator but this code keeps coming on and off, some days it stays on some days it doesnt stay on. I cannot seize why the 320i has the issue however 220i should be similar engine N20 and not listed is it because of different KWH or what ? 131401 Intermittent VANOS (variable cam shaft timing) exhaust cold start not controllable This TC issue really is so unfortunate, at a time when BMWAG is behind upstart like Tesla and old foes like Audi. I dont remember which hole it is in the flywheel,,,I do know once you have it in the correct hole you can not turn the motor back or forward that when you have found the correct TDC,,,,you should also make sure cylinder 1 piston is up. I tried to reset vanos with no success. And yes the crank wouldnt rotate after being inserted. 108f01 What is your opinion about the above? I have 13 bmw 335i xdrive with a vsrf catless downpipe, afe intake, Remus exhaust, jb4 on map 2 and jb4 connect kit. With the VANOS solenoids removed, the spring loaded VANOS spool valve moved in and out easily. I assume that the f31 328i RW could also be affected ? The BMW Certified Pre-Owned Limited Warranty applies to BMW CPO vehicles that are still So I was just under by kilometers and by time (Delivery was Aug 2012). My car have no error code, product 4/2012 with no tune. The documentation claimed that it would take one minute for the VANOS cold start faults to appear. Apr 14, 2022 BMW F30 328i 2013 N20 engine "Drivetrain malfunction etc" comes on occasionally. Labor: 1.0. This documentation is not necessary when part of an approved Technical Service repair procedure; Reprogram the vehicle ISTA/P 2.50.4 or higher. only be fixed if it seems like my car will experience the issue (like if they hear the rattling noise that commenters have mentioned/you replied about. 96K views 5 years ago The BMW N54 and N52 typically have the most issues with this. Fingers crossed!! The auto repair labor rates vary by location, your vehicle's make and model, and even your engine type. Ive got a 2014 320i with 36,000 miles. 130104 130304 Vanos exhaust control fault camshaft jammed If the fault code for camshaft position sensor goes away or swaps position from intake to exhaust (or vice versa), the fault code is being caused by the VANOS solenoid. Hello did you ever resolve that issue? F10, F25, F30, F31 and F34: The car started fine the first time and every time since. Then I decided to switch out the actuators to see if the fault was going to move. Ok you have a couple of things going on here,,,,that fault code just ignore,,,that fault code is a bogus fault some kind of software bug,,,,,ok you start stop function not working I dont know without looking at the car,,,,now the car shutting off while driving sound like the fuel pump and the fuel pump relay EKPS module is going bad,,,,I would have those checked out next time. no dtc but it complete its combustion cycle i check for spark, fuel and compression was reading ok on all 4 cylinder but there black smoke and strong gas smell out the exhaust.I allso found wire harness for dinantronics box which is pigger back to DME was rubbing under the eng. It cannot be timing. 120308 charge air pressure 130E20 Jake 6,848 satisfied customers I replaced my timing chain and oil chain on my 2012 BMW carlosbosch satisfied customers Daniel The engine is running and seems to run pretty good although its still has that ticking sound that it had before. BMW like to keep some things to them selfs,,,,they dont want to release any information if they dont have to. 131501 VANOS, intake, starting from cold: Non-adjustable 131808 VANOS, exhaust, starting from cold: Position not reached . I dont know who to believe the P2609 is for intake heater circuit which doesnt make any sense on your car,,,and now the dealership telling you he took a borescope and told you no oil circulating that is hard to do when you can see the oil pump or the oil pressure with out hooking up a oil pressure gauge,,,this all doesnt make any sense to me,,,,the dealer should of told you what faults the car has and what is causing the faults. has reduced power output. I personally know of one person that had a total loss on their X1 engine in Saskatchewan back in 2016 before BMW Canada acknowledged a widespread issue with the timing chain on the N20. I have 2013 BMW X1 xdrive28i with 79,000 km on it. Here is a video of whats happening today. 131501 vanos inlet cold start not controllable and 120408 boost pressure control cut off pressure rise blocked 2011 x3. Did this on the intake side. I can of course record my engine startup if thatll let you know the case). The connector may have a removable cover. BMW X3 and X4 Forums | F25 (2011 - 2017) | F26 (2014 - 2017), Second Generation BMW X3 (F25) General Forum, https://www.newtis.info/tisv2/a/en/fshaft/HtiBPV3K, https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2053485-8362.pdf.

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